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When I came to micronationalism, I had to do a lot of research myself in getting to know the lay of the land and finding a micronation. President Baugh's site was okay, but there wasn't enough information.

I have in my head the idea for a website aimed exclusively at micronational newbies. Here's what I think it should consist of: [list]
[*]An "ad" for each micronation that is interested<>
[*]A list of available jobs in all micronations<>
[*]A test that will match you with a participating micronation<>
[st]I am probably going to go ahead with this unless something drastic convinces me not to, but I wanted to get some ideas and see if Hanover would be interested in participating..

EDIT: Should also include something on current climate, political and otherwise, in all participating nations.
As with so many things in micronationalism, its an idea thats been booted around for a long time. The most recent attempt that I recall was spear headed by the now defunct Feianova.

Some problems:
- in many micronations, information changes so rappidly
- there are possibly thousands of micronations, who doubtless would all want to be in on a successful attempt.
- Jobs availible... its a strange concept in micronations. The Rhode Book of Micronations (actually just a list of fifty or so chapter titles that were going to be expanded upon) sums it up best "The 110% rule, there will always be more jobs than citizens". Its rare to have defined jobs, people take on so many roles and do a wide variety of things, usually irrespective of what their job is.
- what is likely to direct new micronationalists to this site rather than the abundence of disparet articles now availible?

Some current attempts at information collation that you may or may not have stumbled across yet include

Micronations.Net (known as MNN)
- includes the MNN news collator, http://www.micronations.net/news
- an ezboard forum that is used by a variety of organizations wanting a neutral area for intermicronational collaberation, such as Microwiki or the group that planned the MNN news collator.
- A list of known micronational (on the topic rather than entity specific) discussion boards, directories of micronations, lists of news sources like the Ellicot Observer
- a collection of articles and essays from micronationalists and the main stream media.
- a general discussion forum

Micro-nations.net (known as MNO due to its former domain name)
- a user updated index of micronations
- a beginners guide to Roberts Rules of Order
- a forum, a different group of uses than MNN, and often vastly different aims. MNN users often describe micronationalism as a hobby, MNO users tend to describe thier efforts as serious attempts at nationhood for one reason or another.

MicroWiki - An open content encyclopedia of micronations.

The new http://www.kingdomofhanover.com site is targeted at new micronationalists, with more in depth info saved for the government website.

To some extent all people who encount micronations will have to search a variety of disparet sources for information, and the best information comes from joining in. However if you are intent on this idea, I am sure plenty of people here, myself included, will be willing to assist.
Aderyn,
You've made some nice points, and I think that, for your sake and everyone else's, now is the time for me to explain my idea in more detail. I don't mean to pick on you, but the easiest way to do that is to use your points as an outline.

Quote: As with so many things in micronationalism, its an idea thats been booted around for a long time.
Yes, that seems to be the problem with you all...it takes a while for things to get done! I'm sure I'll turn out the same after a while, though!

Quote:The most recent attempt that I recall was spear headed by the now defunct Feianova.
In some research I did, I think I recall seeing that. Theirs was for an individual nation, whereas this is to promote micronationalism as a whole.

Quote:- in many micronations, information changes so rappidly
Good point. My goal, however, is for this to be a multi-person project, although I am willing to handle as much work is necessary for it to work, being continually updated by many different individuals. Additionally, my plan is to have all participating nations send the available jobs and advertisements to me and I'll just upload them. That way it is coming from the nation and allows nations that want to not get involved not. However, I think the part about the current political climate in each nation should be written by a staff member NOT a citizen of the given nation to allow for an impartial analysis. I.e., I would not (assuming I become a citizen) write Hanover's analysis if Hanover chose to participate.
Quote:- there are possibly thousands of micronations, who doubtless would all want to be in on a successful attempt.
I am fully aware of this. I want to form a core group to start, Hanover, Lavalon, Breuddwyd if you would consent, etc. From there, if it takes off, which I feel sure it will, more nations will want to join. Additionally, when new micronations are created, I think they will want to join because for them, recruitment is obviously the hardest. That's also why I am having the nations decide if they want to participate: it's not going to be, for me, either compile info on a thousand micronations or deal with the complaints "But you didn't but my bug nation on there! We really need a Grand Poobah!"
Quote:- Jobs availible... its a strange concept in micronations. The Rhode Book of Micronations (actually just a list of fifty or so chapter titles that were going to be expanded upon) sums it up best "The 110% rule, there will always be more jobs than citizens". Its rare to have defined jobs, people take on so many roles and do a wide variety of things, usually irrespective of what their job is.
Now here is one place where I disagree with you outright. Most nations that I would want to participate in this are ones like Hanover, with a constitution that sets out some government jobs. One thing I liked about Gotzborg was that they often have little jobs available from time to time, like ambassadors or deputy ministers. I think that if a job listing were created, nations would organize their job market a little more, and like you said, they are always going to have jobs available.
Quote:- what is likely to direct new micronationalists to this site rather than the abundence of disparet articles now availible?
There's a BIG difference between what I have in mind and everything that's currently available. These articles aren't really advertisements, but more importantly, they are not continually updated, and this site will be.
Quote:Micronations.Net (known as MNN)
I've seen this one, and they seem to be more oriented toward people already involved in micronationalism. There's very little information aimed at people considering to micronationalism, and if I do say so myself, some of the discussion on their forums is more likely to scare away potential micronationalists!
Quote:Micro-nations.net
Again, more oriented toward current micronationalists. The directory looks okay, but many of the nations there are defunct, stupid, role-playing games, or inactive.

MicroWiki is okay, and a good source of information, but again, it doesn't "sell" micronationalism enough. However, for nations that have particularly good articles there, I would definitely link them.

Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts, they have helped me enrich and better explain my idea. I look forward to hearing others thoughts.
Holy crap you guys talk a lot.
matt buechner,Feb 6 2005, 07:03 PM Wrote:Holy crap you guys talk a lot.
I know, it's my special talent. smilie If you think I'm bad here, you should see me in Lavalon. (http://lavalon.proboards22.com)
I dont think I want to.
Quote:Yes, that seems to be the problem with you all...it takes a while for things to get done! I'm sure I'll turn out the same after a while, though!
Its a side effect of the medium, coordinating anything becomes a real problem.


Quote:In some research I did, I think I recall seeing that. Theirs was for an individual nation, whereas this is to promote micronationalism as a whole.
It was intended to promote micronationalism as a whole, people have long seen the benifit of some way of streaming new participants to micronations they're suited too as well as some more general promotion. They got as far as a rather vague treaty on the topic (which Breuddwyd signed) before internal political problems overtook their ability to implement.


On the topic of jobs we will have to agree to disagree.

I will participate as far as time constraints allow, which probably wont be a lot in the coming two months.


edit: fixed coding screwup.
Oh, thanks for the info on the Feianova project, I think I understand it a bit more now. I think I am going to start promoting this.
UPDATE:

We are taking off and now have a forum, generously loaned by the Lavalonians. It's on their boards at http://lavalon.proboards22.com
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