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Galeno Pac Pacorro
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(5/10/03 2:56 pm)
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Greetings from the NCP
Compadres of the Hanoverian People's Party!
We at the National Communist Party of the Republic of Baracao seek to show our solidarity and support for your progressive leftist movement.
Again we must make it clear we do not seek to impose ideology or promote the overthrowing of micronational Governments, we merely wish to show unity among the left and its ideas in the micro-world, to fight against fascism, and for liberty.
With the Hanoverian People's Party, the Babkhan Qermez Party and Baracao's own National Communist Party we could seek to perhaps one day create an inter-party congress or other such connection as to promote our ideas and help strengthen the Parties. Would the People's Party be interested in such an idea?
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Kuralyov 
Communist
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(5/10/03 11:47 pm)
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Re: Greetings from the NCP
I would also like to show greetings form the Babkhan Qermez. We are a party for Socialists, progresives, radicals, Communists, and other leftist progressives. It appears that the NCP and BQ shall be forming some sort of mutual congress with each other, and the BQ has already been contacted by a member of the HPP. Let us all move forwards together towards greatness.
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Ciaron Broeck 
Prime Minister of Hanover
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(5/11/03 9:18 am)
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Re: Greetings from the NCP
As a member I would like to thank both the BQ and NCP. I personally believe there is nothing incompatible between our three partys and I believe that contact between our partys can only be benificial.
To speak for the party I would of course have to pass a motion, perhaps if individual members would express there opinions?
Sincerely,
Kieran Bennett
HPP member
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Thomas G C
Duke of Brunswick
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(5/11/03 10:31 am)
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Re: Greetings from the NCP
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I personally believe there is nothing incompatible between our three partys...
Apart from the NCP being patently anti-monarchist?
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Antonio Vitores Ramon
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(5/11/03 10:45 am)
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Re: Greetings from the NCP
The NCP respects the right of nations to choose their own systems of government. We certainly would not allow a monarchy to develop in Baracao, however we are not opposed to it in other nations.
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RicLyon
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(5/11/03 11:50 am)
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Re: Greetings from the NCP
Just look at Baracão's greatest ally...
I think an international is to be set up!
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Ciaron Broeck
Prime Minister of Hanover
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(5/11/03 1:23 pm)
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Re: Greetings from the NCP
The free flow of ideas through a system of informal contacts helps all involved, as for an international leftist org of some kind, I would personally think we would have to have some form of tangible goal in setting up such an org, rather than for its own sake.
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david northworthy beckford 
Hon. D. Beckford, MP
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(5/11/03 3:00 pm)
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Re: Greetings from the NCP
Well.......s'spose so......but then again....I would rather be a local socialist, then an international socialists, especially as I am a dictator in my own nations.
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Ciaron Broeck
Prime Minister of Hanover
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(5/12/03 6:32 am)
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Re: Greetings from the NCP
The ideological basis contains an internationalist clause! I understand your position, but the free flow of ideas between our three partys is hardly going to affect your position in Northworthy!
What does Mr. Kelb think?
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abbasmadani
Member
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(5/12/03 7:05 am)
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Re: Greetings from the NCP
Any international organisation to be meaningful should have agreed policies rather than a common name. It does not matter if you are socialist, communist, progressive or radical as long as we can agree a common slate of policies.
For example can we get a common line on minimum wages, price freezes (to control inflation) and state regulation of the economy to ensure that economic wealth is equitably distributed (not full scale nationalisation however)?
If we say yes, then I think that this idea can move on.
Abbas Madani
Babkhan Qermez
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Ciaron Broeck
Prime Minister of Hanover
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(5/12/03 7:31 am)
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Re: Greetings from the NCP
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minimum wages, price freezes (to control inflation) and state regulation of the economy
I personally see such ideas as redundent in a micronational paradigm, face it, wages mean nothing, the economy means nothing, ultimatly in micronationalism the goal is to perpetuate the economy for its own sake, it has little or no impact on people. Policys that do have an impact on people are the system of governance and peoples access to involvment in this system.
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abbasmadani
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Re: Greetings from the NCP
Obviously I cannot speak for Hanover but there is a commitment by the authorities in Babkha to construct a "real economy" based upon internet and website services. These would be priced in the Babkhan currency, the Rial. I understand that several other micronations are also considering such "real economy" markets.
Apart from that political positions must have some relevance to economic doctrines otherwise there would be nothing to argue about.
Abbas Madani
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Galeno Pac Pacorro
Member
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(5/12/03 11:59 am)
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Re: Greetings from the NCP
Forget the Economy bit.
We don't necessarily want one Party, we want one Union of Parties. Individual Nations need parties flexible to there different state.
The point would be to act as a think tank in many cases creating policies, writing reports and such on micronationalism, and perhaps directing the various parties. It would also be used to direct our international affairs as Parties.
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RicLyon
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(5/12/03 1:33 pm)
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Re: Greetings from the NCP
Well... um... I'd like an internationalist better... Would be more fun, more powerful...
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Galeno Pac Pacorro
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(5/12/03 5:11 pm)
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Re: Greetings from the NCP
I can see there is general agreement. So firstly we should constitute it this would allow us to decide such things. Then put this constitution before all 3 Parties for a vote.
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abbasmadani
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(5/14/03 11:38 am)
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Re: Greetings from the NCP
I think we are on the right track here. If we can draw up a statement of aims common to all three parties, this would be a good start. A loose federal association of the three parties at the international level would enable each party to maintain its individual identity.
Issues
Republic/monarchy - leave it up to individual nations concerned to choose for themselves. As a group of parties lets not commit ourselves unconditionally to either model.
Democracy - we support the full participation of the people inthe democratic process. We cannot say multi-party politics as this would cause problems for the NCP.
Rule of Law - all three parties uphold the idea of an independent judicial system with the state being subject to the law.
Secularism - whilst respecting individual beliefs, the state should not support or identify with any particular religion. It must stand as a neutral referree in religious issues.
Non-discrimination - no discrimination on ethnic, colour, religious, gender, caste, belief or any other ground. Complete equality between all citizens.
Human rights - work toward drafting a universal doctrine of human rights which can be applied in all states.
Economic democracy - allow all citizens to have access to economic resources and ensure that companies are accountable to the state for their business activities. Promotion of workers cooperatives to allow workers to manage and own their own businesses, creation of a "peoples sector" in the economy.
International peace and cooperation - renounce war as tool of foreign policy. Settlement of disputes by negotiation.
This is just a draft of a basic programme for a Progressive Front of Leftist Parties.
Please post your comments.
Abbas Madani
Babkhan Qermez
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Thomas G C
Duke of Brunswick
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(5/14/03 4:41 pm)
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Re: Greetings from the NCP
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Non-discrimination - no discrimination on ethnic, colour, religious, gender, caste, belief or any other ground. Complete equality between all citizens.
What about intellect? Saying "no discrimination at all" is a bit difficult - how do we pick candidates for positions?
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david northworthy beckford
Hon. D. Beckford, MP
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(5/14/03 8:07 pm)
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Re: Greetings from the NCP
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The ideological basis contains an internationalist clause! I understand your position, but the free flow of ideas between our three partys is hardly going to affect your position in Northworthy!
I am not concerned about my position in Northworthy.
I am just worried about the party.
After all, this international body may look like hippocrites if it counts an imperialistic dictator in its ranks!
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Ciaron Broeck
Prime Minister of Hanover
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(5/15/03 6:37 am)
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Re: Greetings from the NCP
I personally do not want an international body, I scanned all my recent posts on the topic and I can find nothing where I do more than offer congratulations and best wishes!!!
The free flow of ideas on an informal basis does not require structured international orgs.
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abbasmadani
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(5/15/03 12:28 pm)
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Re: Greetings from the NCP
Do we understand from that, the HPP would not support such an international leftist organisation?
Abbas Madani
Babkhan Qermez
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Ciaron Broeck
Prime Minister of Hanover
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Re: Greetings from the NCP
Perhaps I need to explain things a little more explicitly (otherwise you would have had to have read our charter etc, oh no) HPP can only express opinion as an organization with a vote, we do not have a leader who does more than declares the results of votes, we actually do run on a direct democracy. I can only express opinions of HPP as a member and thus part of the party, if enough members expressed a similiar opinion you could count it as the opinion of the party. As no one has even bothered to propose a vote on this issue I think it is safe to say that the HPP would like to remain with the concept of an informal and non-structured exchange of ideas, as is happening here and now.
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RicLyon
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(5/22/03 7:24 am)
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Re: Greetings from the NCP
I believe Abbas Khan has a good idea. I say we go for it.
Richard Lyon
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