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Rakesh86
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(7/10/03 5:24 pm)
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Liberal Democrats Strike Back :)
Greetings all,
Just a quick inquiry regarding party policy etc. How does a liberal/progressive such as myself fit into a party like this?
As Abbas Madani can somewhat testify to, I am a very politically active guy - and joining a political party here in Hanover (when and if I get citizenship) is always the best way to public office.
Any response would be appreciated.
It seems as Hanover is at a critical point in party politics, were the FDP, HPP and the Conservatives are relatively close in strength and membership.
Regards,
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Kegz Freestyler
Citizen of Hanover
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(7/10/03 10:04 pm)
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Re: Liberal Democrats Strike Back :)
Where would you fit in?
Ideas, comments, participation is the name of the game.
We are in the process of party policy at the moment, look in the previous forum for this.
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Rakesh86
Member
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(7/10/03 10:37 pm)
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Re: Liberal Democrats Strike Back :)
Accepting the tenants of liberalism :)
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Ciaron Broeck 
Prime Minister of Hanover
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(7/11/03 2:00 am)
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Re: Liberal Democrats Strike Back :)
Simon (kegz) is an Australian, Liberalism means facism here!
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abbasmadani
K.Hood, Citizen
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(7/11/03 4:04 am)
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Re: Liberal Democrats Strike Back :)
Rakesh is well known to me from my Babkhan days and he played a very constructive role in Babkhan politics.
In Babkha, I was a member of the BQ (Qermez Party) which is considerably more to the left than the FDP. BQ is similar in policies to the HPP as a leftist party.
The FDP's policies and philosophy have been stated many times on the threads of this forum and I would welcome any interested person to look at them. In Babkhan terms the FDP would be slightly to the right of the Liberal Centre Party.
Rakesh would be very welcome here and I think that politically he would feel very much at home with us.
A word about the Liberal Democrats: their sole member has advised us that the party will be merging with the Conservatives. That will leave the FDP as the sole, authentic voice of Hanoverian Liberalism.
Regarding the Australian Liberal party, I don't think that it started out as a specifically right wing party when it was founded in 1944. Sir Robert Menzies clearly stated that whilst opposed to socialism, the party aimed to be a progressive and forward looking party i.e. not a conservative force. I guess that the absence of a genuine conservative party in Australia sometimes pushes the Liberals in a rightward direction to fill this gap. I think this is regretable. Wherever there are conservative parties in Europe such as the UK and Scandinavia, the Liberals tend to be more left wing. Where there are no conservative parties such as Holland and Belgium, Liberals tend to be right of centre.
As an Australian, I don't think that Kegz's views are that much different from my own as a British Liberal. And I certainly am not a fascist.
Kevin
Edited by: abbasmadani at: 7/11/03 4:13 am
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Ciaron Broeck
Prime Minister of Hanover
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Re: Liberal Democrats Strike Back :)
The Liberals in Australia are an extreme right party as far as I am concerned, labour are meant to be socialist in the same way the liberals are meant to be liberal, Labour as a center right party are probably what you would call liberal.
The democrats here are more to the left, far more than the dems in the US, the Greens being the most leftwing party with a seat in federal parliament.
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abbasmadani
K.Hood, Citizen
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(7/11/03 8:45 am)
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Re: Liberal Democrats Strike Back :)
Interesting.......
Would Sir Robert Menzies, Bill McMahon, Billy Sneddon and Andrew Peacock be considered extreme right wing?
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Ciaron Broeck
Prime Minister of Hanover
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Re: Liberal Democrats Strike Back :)
Menzies, most definitly, the rest are certainly towards the right, and John Howard, leader of the Liberals at the present is definitly a right wing thatcherist bordering on facist to say the least. In the present day, if not the past, the liberals in Australia are at best conservatives and at worst working towards Nazis.
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Rakesh86
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(7/11/03 7:16 pm)
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Re: Liberal Democrats Strike Back :)
Thanks for the clarification, Abbas - or Kevin :)
Yes, party politics is my forte and it is sad that liberalism has been identified with the Right. The liberalism, which I uphold to is definetely center-left.
With so many parties here, it is important to identify with the right on because it can make or break your political fate in a parliamentary democracy such as Hanover. Maybe I'll even make a new party - it would make party politics more interestings considering the 'balance of power' per say.
Regards,
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abbasmadani
K.Hood, Citizen
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Re: Liberal Democrats Strike Back :)
Rakesh,
The FDP is to the right in the sense that it stands for a free market economy and freedom of the individual. It believes in minimum state intervention. On civil liberties however it is more to the left. The FDP is very strong on human rights and democracy.
As I mentioned in Hanover, the Liberal Democrats will be merging with the Conservative Party. The only other party is the Natural Justice Party which I understand is libertarian. It also has one member. The ruling Hanoverian Peoples Party is more leftish, social democratic from what I can gather.
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Rakesh86
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Re: Liberal Democrats Strike Back :)
Ah yes, make sense.
If the Liberal Democrats are merging with the Conservatives, it may be possible for me to create a true Liberal Party. While I understand the FDPs position, I disagree with certain parts of it. The same thing is true with the HPP.
Maybe I can bring my experience in Babkha to a new party that will lead Hanover to its Golden Age.
A "United Front" Coalition is something we can all consider.
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abbasmadani
K.Hood, Citizen
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(7/12/03 12:26 pm)
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Re: Liberal Democrats Strike Back :)
Rakesh,
Firstly it is good to see you in Hanover. I greatly enjoyed our time together in Babkha and its good to see a familiar face in these forums.
I hope that you will be active here - there is a lot you can contribute to in Hanoverian politics. I think Hanover would benefit from your presence here and your contribution.
Regarding the FDP, its too easy to dismiss it as a rightist party. Our economic policy is certainly regarded as being as right of centre because we believe in minimum state intervention in the economy. However this is a classical liberal position and I would say that we are at present the only liberal party in Hanover.
However it would be wrong to dismiss the FDP as a party of laissez-faire capitalism. We are clearly not. Hanover is a relatively new community and economic legislation is still being developed. If you look at the FDP forum you will see that we have been in the vanguard of this process. We have drafted a Banking Bill which will be submitted to Parliament. We are currently drafting a Register of Societies bill to record economic enterprises. The central principle of both bills is that while accepting the concept of free enterprise, we also believe that there should be public accountability by those citizens operating in the economic sector. We insist that their real names and e-mail addresses are available to public inspection. We believe in transparency and full disclosure of material facts.
As far as our commitments to freedom of the individual, civil rights, democracy, international cooperation and the cause of peace, I would say that the FDP is a radical (non-socialist) party. On some of these issues, we may even be to the left of the Peoples Party (HPP).
Please join in. If you want to, you can form your own party. You are more than welcome to contribute to our forum and our party as a member or as an independent. Your participation as an unattached independent would be more than welcomed by us.
Kevin
Edited by: abbasmadani at: 7/12/03 1:02 pm
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Rakesh86
Member
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(7/12/03 6:07 pm)
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Re: Liberal Democrats Strike Back :)
Kevin,
It is good to see a friendly place in these parts. Hopefully my citizenship will be approved quickly and I could jump (head first) into the political and cultural life of the Kingdom.
I see the noteworthy aspects of the FDP and I am sure we can work together forming a unified coalition on many aspects as I believe we agree on many issues. However, I have decided not to take the independent route and will try to create a political party, as I see Hanover as of yet does not have any laws regulating the creation of political parties as was the case in Babkha.
Your help is much appreciated, and I know I can always depend on you.
Regards,
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abbasmadani
K.Hood, Citizen
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(7/12/03 8:58 pm)
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Re: Liberal Democrats Strike Back :)
Dear Rakesh,
Your entry into Hanover would be most welcome. I am sure that if you created a Liberal Party in Hanover, it would be a most welcome addition to Hanoverian political life.
I understand your views on the FDP.
If you were to form your own party, we would be more than happy to co-operate with you. Our brand of liberalism is probably not more than a shade different from yours.
You can always rely upon my help and support in Hanover.
Best Wishes and Good Luck,
Always Your Friend
Kevin
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